Comments on: Character Inspirations Part II: The True Innocent https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/ Daniel James Hanley's Creations For Gaming. Home of the Ghastly Affair RPG. Tue, 27 Aug 2024 00:06:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Daniel James Hanley https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-9561 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 00:06:56 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-9561 In reply to tacobutterycc9674eebd.

Thank you! And remember, supernatural horror is only one of the modes of the Gothic. It can also be dark romance, crime drama, science fiction, medieval fantasy, and outright comedy. Many of the early Gothic novels include comedic situations and characters, for example. Some have poems interspersed in the text – essentially the literary equivalent of including song and dance numbers! So, inspirations for Gothic characters can come from anywhere.

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By: tacobutterycc9674eebd https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-9560 Mon, 26 Aug 2024 06:46:08 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-9560 For awhile I’ve had a vague idea of making, or at least seeing the need, for an “Innocent” type character class in modern paranormal RPGs. This is opposed to “Lure”, “Victim” or “Final Girl” type classes. I never did anything with the idea so it’s nice you saved me the work. I’d like to give a shout-out to “Chauncey Gardiner” from the movie “Being There” (1980), starring Peter Sellers. It’s not a horror movie, so it probably doesn’t fit the criteria for the class but it’s an excellent movie and taking into consideration something at the end of the movie there’s definitely fodder for something..

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By: Daniel James Hanley https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-5240 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 20:58:31 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-5240 In reply to sunlessnick.

Very well said!

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By: sunlessnick https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-5233 Thu, 06 Apr 2017 16:09:50 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-5233 In reply to Daniel James Hanley.

Hm. Mixing our combined perspectives perhaps means that Mina is a good example for avoiding some of the usual stereotypes that attend different character types – not that stereotypes are out of keeping, but we don’t want them *all* the time. 🙂

As a Demon Hunter, she shows that Demon Hunters don’t have to be hardened. Her insistence that they should approach hunting Dracula in the same spirit as hunting Lucy, as essentially a rescue mission for his trapped soul. The way she inspires Renfield to turn against Dracula with her compassion.

As a True Innocent, she puts the lie to the idea that Gothic-style victimisation and weakness/passivity must go hand-in-hand.

As an Everywoman, she offers a model for how modernity and the Gothic can play into each other.

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By: Daniel James Hanley https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-5218 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:30:16 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-5218 In reply to William Rutter.

I think it all depends on what aspect of her you want to emphasize. Depicting her as a True Innocent emphasizes her connection to other victimized Gothic heroines. Everywoman emphasizes her education and status as a working woman. And it seems reasonable to me that she might become a Demon Hunter (perhaps working with Jonathan). After all, the ending does mention the Harkers going back to Transylvania!

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By: William Rutter https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-5216 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:47:00 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-5216 Interesting. I actually used Mina Harker as the Character Inspiration for Lila Davenport, and it never occurred to me that she could be a True Innocent (or an Everywoman for that matter).

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By: sunlessnick https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-5197 Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:49:07 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-5197 In reply to Daniel James Hanley.

I take your point too.

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By: Daniel James Hanley https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-5196 Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:29:51 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-5196 In reply to sunlessnick.

I can see your point. I agree that if someone wanted to actually play Mina Harker as their character (perhaps in a Saga set after the events of Dracula) she could be Classed as an Everywoman (perhaps multi-classing into Demon Hunter to take her revenge). On the other hand, a Player can definitely use Mina as a Character Inspiration for their True Innocent PC. After all, Mina does show herself to be an “Inspiration of the Virtuous”, and to suffer from “The Misfortunes of Virtue”!

“Dracula” is in many ways a kind of “greatest hits” of the Gothic. Its got pretty much every trope from the hundred years of Gothic stories that precede it. It’s even written in the epistolary format popular in the 18th century. But of course, Gothic stories are famous for referencing each other. For example, in “Frankenstein” Mary Shelly alludes both to de Sade’s “Justine” and her father William Godwin’s “Caleb Williams”.

I’ve definitely noticed that what I read influences what I write. After reading a lot of 18th century writing, I have to consciously avoid writing in long run-on sentences with seemingly random capitalization and odd punctuation!

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By: sunlessnick https://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/character-inspirations-part-ii-the-true-innocent/#comment-5194 Thu, 09 Mar 2017 02:37:43 +0000 http://engineoforacles.wordpress.com/?p=1391#comment-5194 I fear I must quibble about the good Mrs Harker. While she was imperilled in a manner that would surely be familiar to any True Innocent, she was a modern woman of her era: familiar with modern sciences, worldly, and willing to use her connection with Dracula to aid her fellow hunters in tracking him. It seems to me that she should be an Everywoman.

Though having said that, should anyone be so foolhardy as to disregard your rule prohibiting True Innocents from multiclassing, then I grant Mrs Harker may prove an instructive model.

(Maybe I should comment here *before* catching up on Victoria Silverwolf’s AP).

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